Pre-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation Rapture, Which Do You Have to Look Forward To?

Greetings to you all and welcome to another episode of “It’s Not As You Perceive,” a ministry of Qumran Family Church. I am you host Rod Thomas. This series of podcasts is devoted to encouraging you in righteous living while contending for the truth faith once delivered to the first century saints. We accomplish this through robust dialogue and exegesis of the Bible, about the topics and issues facing today’s believer of Messiah; without denominational and traditional influences that have plagued the truth seeking Saints for centuries.

Once Upon A Time

I fondly recall the days of my youth when I was so in love with my Christian Faith. I, along with a handful of close friends at the time, would get together and whip ourselves into frenzy about the sudden return of the Lord Jesus to rapture us away to heaven where we’d gaze into the face of our Lord Jesus for all eternity. Throw in some big international political or military event at the time and the popularity of the “Late Great Planet Earth” (Hal Lindsey) the rapture was a certain imminent event to me. I’m somewhat embarrassed to say that one night during those years I was so convinced that the rapture was imminent that a thunder-clap or something close to one I heard outside my bedroom window gave me cause to fear that the rapture was occurring at that very moment and I was somehow left behind. Obviously, no such rapture had occurred and my fears were quickly put to rest when I saw that my parents, my siblings, and my grandmother were still in the house with me and the news did not report a worldwide disappearance of millions of Christian believers. Whew! I thought to myself: better get my act in order and affirm my born-again status so that I’m good to go at all times when the man upstairs pulls the trigger and calls all us up to meet Him in heaven…what a day of rejoicing that will be.

Hmm–remember that old gospel hymn–“When we all get to heaven, what a day of rejoicing that will be? When we all see Jesus we’ll sing and shout the victory?” That hymn was a very popular one in my Baptist Church of the 1970’s and early 80’s. Sometimes the emotions of the congregants would get so whipped up at the singing of that song, tears would flow, shouts would echo throughout the sanctuary, and people would flock down to the alter to renew their commitment to Christ or even start a new relationship with Jesus our Savior. Let’s face it: the only reason most people “came” to Jesus was either (1) fear of going to hell; (2) the desire to go to heaven as opposed to hell: and (3) because they were experiencing some form of guilt over living a sinful and Godless life. Certainly living the life of a Christian was not the most desirous life to be had if one were honest with themselves. Once you committed to being a Christian after saying the sinners’ prayer, you pretty much forfeited all opportunities to have “fun,” right? Growing up in a relatively conservative Baptist Church (and I say relatively because many indescretions of the church members would often be overlooked, depending on who they were–remarriages, babies out of wedlock, smoking, drinking, even homosexuality within the ranks of the ministerial staff) you pretty much were forbidden to indulge in many secular extracurricular activities. Oh the preachers would preach with such conviction about topics ranging from the length of women’s skirts and the amount of cleavage being shown by some of the more endowed of the lot; the evils of alcohol and cigarette smoking; lying; watching certain movies; remarrying after divorce; premarital sex, fornication, and adultery; the use of profanity; steeling; not attending church on a regular basis; gambling; gluttony; all such indiscretions were strongly “beat down”  by the preacher’s rhetoric and the boisterous shouts from the “Amen” corner. But once church was let out and you had time to distance yourself from the sanctuary, the joys to be had from doing exactly the opposite of what the preacher was speaking against was often reinforced by many, both within and without the church. Before you knew it, someone you knew as a staunch member of the church was caught in one or more of these transgressions. Next thing discussed was always the debate of whether or not they were ever truly saved in the first place. Why? Because, the true convert to Christianity would never “sin” and remember, “Once saved always saved,” right?

So, the fear of being left behind was always a lingering thought in the back of my mind even though I did not indulge in any of these transgressions. Was I perfect? No. I did pride myself as leading a rather pious life growing up and in to my adult years. When I would learn of acquaintances falling prey to sin, I would fear that their profession of faith was probably invalid from the start. Nevertheless, the Pastor of our church would preach incessantly about being “raptured” up to heaven and making sure that we were spotless in our lives because you didn’t want to go to heaven smelling like a “fire sell.”

A Most Popular Teaching Indeed

The rapture stands at the hub of traditional and fundamental churchianity. It is a teaching and belief that captures the imagination of all would be believers in Christ. It has a most mysterious feel to it, does it not? The thought of one day  being here and going about one’s business as normal and then within a split second you’re not here and you are contemporaneously in the presence of Jesus at the judgment seat, awaiting to receive your reward and crown(s) certainly is most appealing. Just the excitement of being lifted up in the sky, away from the earth and all of the problems that are down here is just such a cool prospect and wonderful promise. There is of course also the prospect of walking the streets of gold and joining the grand “Angelic Choir.” I recall another great Gospel song sung quite frequently during my young years in the Baptist Church…”I’ll just walk around Heaven all day.” Oh that sounded so nice. I recall comforting myself to sleep many a night with that dreamy scenario. Ah…just thinking about seeing the grand patriarchs of the Old and New Testaments and asking them questions and hearing their stories throughout all eternity was so enticing that it was imperative to me that I be center-stage during the rapture.

Growing up and into my adult years, no one could ever convince me that the rapture was NOT a future event to be enjoyed by millions of professing Christians around the world. Books and sermons in support of this belief constantly cemented the certainty I had about this coming event. Of course, I believed whole heartily that the rapture could happen at any time, certainly before the Great Tribulation. The horror-stories I heard regarding the future plight of those left behind frightened me so. Stories were created within stories about the rapture and the tribulation and those who will left behind. Millions would instantly disappear leaving cars and buses careening out of control on freeways; airplanes crashing when pilots were raptured out of their cockpits; widespread hysteria because no one could account for the disappearance of such a huge percentage of the world’s population. Then the rapture would happen. The anti-Christ would assume control of the earth and apply the mark of the beast upon the head and hands of all those left behind. I remember hearing stories that it would be so difficult for those left behind to resist getting the dreaded 666 mark that the likelihood of anyone avoiding the mark was astronomical at best. Of course, everyone left behind having the mark of the beast would be doomed to an eternity in hell when Jesus would return for the Battle of Armageddon. The tribulation was absolutely a terrible situation to find oneself in and only those rightly deserving, having failed to heed the call to come to Jesus during their lifetimes, would have to endure that time of pain, agony, and separation from God the Father and God the Son. Ultimately, after the Battle will have been won by Jesus and the Saints and accompanying angels, the whole of mankind left behind and having died without having their names written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, would face judgment and certain eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire; never mind the fact that those who would had died and gone to heaven would have had their spirits reunite with their decaying bodies in their graves and resurrected from the dead; and those who had died and gone to hell would have had their tortured spirits writhing in pain and agony taken out of hell, brought to the throne to be judged and then thrown back into a fiery pit to resume their eternal punishment.

It all made perfect sense to me. I was fully convinced that the pre-tribulation belief that was so prominent in churchianity was the truest of teachings and was a revelation to the church through the writings of the Apostles John and Paul despite the fact that there was no true Biblical support–just blind supposition and spin.

I attended many teachings on the subject of pre-tribulation rapture as well as I read my share of books and the few applicable passages in the Bible (well at least I thought they were applicable at the time). I stubbornly found no fault in this belief of the Christian church.

In 2005, I came face-to-face with the pre-tribulation rapture teaching as I began my journey of exploring and examining the many doctrines, teachings, and beliefs of the traditional Christian faith. As I began to lay aside my denominational and pagan-influenced traditions and mindset , I quickly saw from the pages of my Bible that indeed the entire doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture had some serious deficiencies. I remember having a discussion one day at work with my boss, a committed traditionalist, about the pre-tribulation rapture belief. She adamantly insisted that a pre-tribulation rapture was the only true destination of saved born-again Christians. She absolutely would not entertain that the concept of a pre-tribulation rapture was an error or a false teaching. Funny thing: despite her insistence of the validity of the pre-tribulation gospel, she did not have any Biblical support for the belief but touted the support of this concept by many high-ranking, national evangelists and Christian teachers and preachers.

Before long, I affiliated with a church that closely allied with my understanding of the end-times and the future destinies of the true believers in Christ. While attending this church (the United Church of God in 2007,8), my understanding of the end-times grew significantly, although I still had some nagging questions about particulars of the end that I just could not get solid answers to. I’ve since left the United Church of God and am now pretty much home-based and continuing my examination of the many tenets of the traditional Christian church. I have been blessed to have found in my search a few teachers who I believe to be Spirit-filled teachers of Messiah and who possess the true knowledge of the end-times: Michael Rood, Arthur Bailey, and Fred Coulter to name a few. I would not of course place myself in the same league as these modern eschatological teachers, but I believe that I am blessed with a modicum of the Truth of Messiah and thus I am here weekly to share that Truth with you. I ask that those of you who are so led, that you subscribe to this podcast feed and seriously consider the things that we are putting out there in cyberspace. As I have said in at least one previous episode, these messages are not about me or Qumran Family Church; they are about you and those with whom you come in contact with from day-to- day; it’s about contending for the true faith; it’s about standing for the truth in spite of being in the minority of those who are willing to heed sound teaching. All we ask is that you at least check these things out for yourselves. If at the end of the day you come to the conclusion that you do not agree with the teachings that we are putting out, we totally respect that and we certainly do not judge you and your decisions and ultimate opinions.

One other thing: I would say to any of you who have come to the cross-roads of your life in terms of your Faith, and you find yourself attending a traditional Christian church that is NOT teaching the truth about Messiah, that you make the bold move of firing your Pastors and take your salvation into your own hands. While it is still free to use without government intrusion, the internet provides the best avenue for you to find Truth–the Truth of Messiah that sets men free. The ministries headed by these wonderful teachers of Messiah provide many free resources to subscribers of their programs. I tell you: the treasures to be had by observing the Sabbath (i.e., Saturday as opposed to Sunday), committing one’s self to learning, reading, prayer, and meditation will with certainty lead one to the True Gospel that Y’shua preached and the true faith once delivered to the first century saints.

With all that is going on in the world today, there is absolutely no better time than now to get serious about one’s faith. Playing church is over Saints. It is now time to get down to the nitty gritty. Amen!?

So How Do You Perceive the Destiny of the Believer in Messiah: Pre-Tribulation Rapture or Post-Tribulation Rapture? I am quite certain that many of you have or at least had the same understanding of the teaching of the Christian rapture that I had years ago. Again, the whole concept of a pre-tribulation rapture is very enticing and certainly preferable to that of a Post-Tribulation rapture. No believer in their right mind wants to endure persecution, prosecution, crucifixion, apprehension, tribulation and the like. So in defense of my boss, somewhat, I can see how the mind would be easily swayed to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, even without true biblical support.

But what does the Biblical record support a pre-tribulation or a post-tribulation rapture? Well, would you buy “yes” for both? You indeed heard me correctly: the Biblical record does support a pre-tribulation rapture as well as it supports a dreaded post-tribulation rapture.

The Rapture of the Church
Waiting For The Word / Foter / CC BY

Now before you storm off in frustration hear me out on this. The Biblical record indeed predicts a snatching away of the Saints at some future point near the end times. The question arises as to when exactly during the end times does this snatching away of the Saints occurs. There is suggestion of a rapture, pre-trib, via a few highly misunderstood verses in the New Testament, namely in the epistles of Shaul (Paul) and Yochanan (John). One of the primary verses whereby the pre-tribulation rapture concept found a home seems to be one of the most familiar writings of that great Apostle, Shaul, to the believers in Corinth:

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.   Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (1Co 15:49-55 KJV) 

The Biblical Reason Stands Primary 

It stands to reason that such a concept as the pre-tribulation rapture could easily be drawn from this very vivid description of the destiny of the Saints of the Most High. Clearly Shaul is addressing a resurrection and a snatching away of the Saints of the Most High at some future date. Yet the common tendency of most readers of this passage is to read over a most important portion of the verse: that of the timeframe in which this snatching away of the living and the dead Saints would occur. Take note where Shaul states that the translation of the Saints cannot occur until the last trumpet is sounded which stands to reason that six trumpets must sound before the seventh! It also stands to reason that the sounding of each of the prior six trumpets will trigger some epic global event. This is just one small, but often missed proof positive against a pre-tribulation rapture.

 

The Book of Revelation holds for the true believer of Messiah, filled with the Spirit of God, having an understanding of the Hebraic roots of the Faith, and a qualified teacher of Messiah to instruct him or her accordingly, the truth of the future destiny of the Saints. Revelation 12 provides the reader a chilling synopsis of what is in store for the Saints of Yahoveh at the end times.

First, a little background. The True Believer of Messiah must be acutely aware of the key players involved in the future events leading to the end of this present age:

  • Adam, the first man, given dominion of God’s earthly creation prior to his fall (26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Gen 1:26-28 KJV)); when he disobeyed the commandment of the Father in the Garden he forfeited his God-given dominion over the earth forever
  • Satan, the archenemy of Yahoveh and of man, immediately received full dominion over God’s earthly creation upon Adam’s forfeiture (8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. (Mat 4:8-9 KJV))
  • Jesus Christ, Y’shua Ha Meschiach, upon His overcoming the temptation in the wilderness and His ignominious death on the cross for remission of sins (26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. (Rev 2:26-27 KJV)), He alone will be given the title deed to this earth and given authority over life and death by the Father

Traditional churchianity rightly teaches that the devil, Satan, the dragon, apart from being the god of this earth and the god of the air, constantly wages spiritual warfare against Yahoveh’s elect. He has the authority to stand in the throne room of heaven before the Eternal night and day accusing the Saints. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (Rev 12:10 KJV) This same scenario is highlighted in the well-known story of Job.

Satan currently holds tight to his dominion over Yahoveh’s creation, having legally obtained it as a result of Adam’s fall from grace. Y’shua on the other hand is the prime advocate for the Saints in the throne room, poised to legally retrieve dominion and authority from the hands of Satan upon His return and the unsealing of the scroll as foretold in the Book of Revelation. According to the Biblical record, there is a precise appointed time for this transfer of the title-deed to Yahoveh’s creation.

Now we can examine the twelfth chapter of Revelation to see what awaits the Saints of the Most High at the end of this age and determine whether or not a pre-tribulation rapture awaits us:

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev 12:1-17 KJV)

 

A careful read of this chapter will provide the believer of Messiah with a repudiation of the classic pre-tribulation rapture teaching. To begin with, verse nine of this chapter details how Satan, the accuser of the Saints before the Eternal, will be evicted from his authorized place in the throne room of heaven and from heaven proper. His destination will be earth, where in verse thirteen he wages war against the woman that brought forth the man-child–namely the Jewish nation of Israel having produced Jesus Christ, of the line of King David. Despite his unquenchable thirst to eliminate the nation that produced the Messiah, verses fourteen through sixteen, suggests that a remnant of the Jewish nation will be miraculously protected by the Eternal for three and a half years. Frustrated by his failure to eliminate this precious remnant, verse seventeen indicates that Satan instead will set his ire against the true Saints of Yahoveh. And who are these so-called true Saints you ask: believers of Messiah which “keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ,” having endured to the end and receiving a crown of glory.

No rapture of the Saints will have occurred at this point in the Biblical record. Satan will viciously persecute the Saints to the point of extinction as suggested in verse eleven of this same chapter: 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. (Rev 12:11 KJV) 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. (Rev 6:10-11 KJV) 

The record clearly places Saints in the midst of extinction level persecution. Nevertheless, there is a snatching away of the true believers of Messiah, albeit after a period of great persecution of the Saints. Most of the Saints will lose their lives, yet a precious few will survive. Both the living and the dead Saints will be transformed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, raised to incorruption, to meet our Savior on a sea of fire and glass:

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. (Rev 15:2-3 KJV) 

The future does not bode well for the Saints of the Most High near the end of this present age. However, the sacrifice paid by the believer will be well worth it: we, the redeemed, the true believers of Messiah who keep the commandments of Yahoveh and have the testimony of Y’shua  Ha Meschiach within ourselves, we will reign gloriously with our Older Brother and our Redeemer, throughout all eternity. Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (1Co 2:9 KJV) 

Recall at the beginning of the episode that I said that there appeared to be validity to both the pre-tribulation and post-tribulation rapture teachings. Here’s where an understanding of the term “tribulation” as it relates to the context of the end times is vital to one’s full understanding of the destiny of the true believer of Messiah in the end times. The term tribulation–2347 θλῖψις thlipsis {thlip’-sis} Meaning:  1) a pressing, pressing together, pressure 2) metaph. oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits

Usage:  AV – tribulation 21, affliction 17, trouble 3, anguish 1, persecution 1, burdened 1, to be afflicted + 1519 1; 45

The term tribulation in the King James Version is used some 22-times. One passage of the Book of Revelation, if the reader is willing to take off his or her traditionalist glasses and read what is printed on the pages of this book, clearly proclaims that there will be believers who will go through tribulation:

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. (Rev 7:13-17 KJV)

These are they which came out of great tribulation. Indeed. It goes without saying that many believers of Messiah will endure “great tribulation,” some will survive and be translated when Y’shua returns while the vast majority will lose their lives, having washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

If one reads the Book of Revelation in its chronological perspective, beyond the 12th chapter, after the true Saints have been received by Y’shua on the sea of fire and glass, probably dwelling with the Savior and fellowshipping for 3-1/2 years, Yahoveh will inflict the earth with judgment. In a sense, Great Tribulation will be experienced by the entire earth as woe after woe is pronounced. Death, famine, destruction, pain and agony will be commonplace throughout the world as those who are not of the redeemed of the Most High remain to endure horrible judgment. This will be where the Saints will escape the Great Tribulation by which Yahoveh will judge the earth, thus in this sense a pre-tribulation rapture can be supported.

Either way one cuts this pie, the true Saint of the Most High must be prepared to see whatever life he or she will be dealt, especially at the end times, to the bitter end. Nevertheless, oh the joy that will be had by the believer of Messiah will be beyond measure and only Yahoveh knows what greatness is in store for us who endure to the end.

 

 

 

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2 Responses to Pre-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation Rapture, Which Do You Have to Look Forward To?

  1. Shirlene says:

    / Howdy, It’s Not…Here’s something I caught not long ago on the web. Enjoy. /

    PRETRIB RAPTURE SCHOLARSHIP !

    How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 2:34,35 reveal that Jesus stays at the Father’s right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His foes at the second coming to earth. Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. (“The Rapture Question,” by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above verses! The same Acts verses were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters”!)
    Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel’s posttrib resurrection!) It’s amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the “great commission” for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
    Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google “Walvoord Melts Ice.”
    Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Pretrib Rapture Politics,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” and “Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View” – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).

    • Rod and Hilary says:

      Excellent research. Thank you for sharing. Lots of information to digest here. This is what is vital to the true believer’s security: steadfast love of the Word. Warmest and Blessings, Rod Thomas

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